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校David:alloureffortsarereallyaboutmakingAmericahealthier.BecauseAmericahassomeseriousproblemswithchronicityconditions,veryhighcost,andofcourse,inagedpopulation.Steve:that’stheissuewe’refacingbackinChinaaswell.Itseemedtobeauniversalissueofhealthcrisis.Butinanadditiontothat,asImentionedearlier,90%ofallofourTCMuniversitycollegegraduatewon’tenduppracticemedicineduetoallkindsofsocialpressureandissuesandpartofteachingandstudentwitnesssthemechnicalwayofinstruction.sowhat’syourvisioninthefutureinwhatwayswecandotochangethat?Reformthat?Sothesestudentsandtheirfamilyafterdedicatingsomanyyearsandresourcestotheireducationcanputthatpreciousknowledgetotheirworkandtheycanfeelmeaningfulintheiremployment,soinyouropinion,what’syourvisioninthatregard?Whatwecandotogethertomakeithappen?學您在這方面有沒有什么愿景和建議可以改變？這些學生和家長花費多年時間和David:oneofthingsthatwecandoistorestorerespectfullyclassicaltraditioninthetrainingofeducationChinesestudent.AndIsayrespectfullybecausethosetraditionscomefromChinaandironicallytheyareindistressinChina,wehavedeeprespectofclassicaltraditionofclassicaltexts,thetransition,theinterpretationofthosetexts.Ofcourse,ourmodelhereofeducationhonorsandrespecttheelders.MysonwhoisgraduatesofChineseMedicineprogram,reallylovedoneofhisteachers,hereallylikedallofteachers,butinparticularthereareseveralwhoarediligentmasters,withdeeptraditions,deeprootsbacktotheirelders,elders,elders...Transfertheknowledgeandtheirwisdomacrossthegenerations.sohavinganattitudeofrespectfortraditionandlineageisbigpartofourprograminChinesemedicine.That’salsotrueinNaturopathicstandardcareareimposedbythelargerpoliticsofhealthinAmerica.Sothereisalwaysintentiontorespectthelineagetraditionandthemodernunderstandingofthetradecanbe.Hereisanexample,manyAmericans,iftheyhavesorethroat,willtake,oriftheyhaveheadache,orabitflu,theywilltakesomekindofsynthesizedcountrydrug,repressthesymptoms.TheChinesemedicinedoctorismuchmoreinterestedinthetotalityofthe’sexperience,thenaturopathicdoctoraswell.thenaturopathicdoctorismorelikelytosay:oh,youneedtoreputelikejustgotosleep,donttakeanydrugs,thebodyownsimmuneresponsestimulatebythehumidwater,andsimilarlyairandotherelementsofChinesetraditionmedicine,wisdomintermsofbodyisreactiontheyneedtoberespectedinthestudentstheydontimmediaydefaulttodrugs.Theycan,theyhavetherighttoandweincreasingtopayattentiontothatbecausemanypatientsdotakedrugs.Buttheyshouldkeepthetraditionalmethodhealingstrong.Wecancreateaprogramtogether,weenforcesclassicaltradition.，是因為傳和來源于國的但非常諷是現(xiàn)在的國在這點上遇了困境在我的古典統(tǒng)非常重教上我們尊老敬老的兒子專業(yè)也學習中慧和知識所以師重道是中醫(yī)一個非重要的分對自然醫(yī)學也樣適沿襲統(tǒng)古通今如此個栗子很多人喉嚨流感（一些品牌此處省略中醫(yī)會對###走疾病這傳統(tǒng)對們的臨醫(yī)學有大影響在給治療時會一開始就直接用物因為需注意的是多往都會這樣我可以在方面來強剛剛提到的。，Steve:terrific!Ithinkwehadbroughupveryimportantissuethatrespectingthistraditionalinheritage,thelineage,whichissocriticalandsciencedoesinvolvetheleaningwaysometimesthehistoryevolvesinthecyclingway,thereissomuchinourpastthatwemustrespectandinheritSowecangainthewisdomandenlightenmentforthefuture.Theissuerelatedtothatisdoyouseeanypossibilityfortheintegrationofdifferenttypesoftraditionsandlineage.SuchasclassicalChinesemedicine,withclassicalortraditionalwesternnaturopathicmedicine,doyouseeanypossibilityorintegrationinthefuture?David:Ido.ThereisgreatopportunityforintegrationinAmericathereisaphraseintegratedmedicine,whatisitmeansinpracticeisthatmainstreamallopathicorbiomedicinepeopletakecertainmodality,morenatural,moreholistic,andadoptthemforuse.Andforthemostpart,thatispositivething,inotherhand,therearesomechallenges,forexample,medicaldoctortakeveryabbreviatedcoursecalledmedicalacupuncture.Andtheytreatedthewaynotrespectfulorsavageorconsciousthedeeptraditions.Allneednaturalskills,MasterCoe,oneofourgreatteacherhere,hehasstudentdothingsthatverysimplewhentheybegan.Andafterprocessingthem,theygetitandperfectitandmakeitverygood,takesdisciplineskillsandfocusonverylongperiodtime,it’snotimmediate,it’snotthecasethatyoucanshowtheskillandwriteitandexmineitandrunoffanddoit.Theymentoringinlineagemodelandencouragesdeepdeepskillsbuildingandrespect,wehaveanopportunityaswellwithremediesineasternherbsorChineseherbstraditiontocorporatethemmakethemavailableinthefarminKabir.Whenyouvisitingourclinicyouwillseewehaveallofthoserightthere,availableforourstudentsandinternsandoursupervisingpositiontouse,theydontjustchooseliberatethemorsoldthedilantin.Necessarilytheychooseapproachesthatismorenatural,suchasfruitasmedicine,whichisverydeepdeeplyinclassicalChinesemedicine,anotherveryimportantelement,isthecourseintergration,therespectfulmergingmind-bodyandspirit.It’sanoddthingtodescribebecauseintheclassicaltraditionalChinesemedicineisassumed,butinwesterntradition,thewesternpractice,it’sunfortunay,thoseideasbroughtintoamodelthatisveryreductionistandsometimes,itdoeswork,hereisanexample:Iknowaclinic,anallopathicmainstreamdoctor,whohavesomemusictherapy,soyouhaveonhourmusictherapy,andtheideaisgood,butthehourisscheduledinawaythat’sbillable.It’snotaboutbeingexposetomusic,it’sabouthavingaliverhythmandetheartsandbeautyofmusicandartintothat校長：是的，在，主流的對抗醫(yī)學或者生物醫(yī)學，也在向更加自然，更加整合的趨勢改革。大部分來說是積極的，但是另外一方面，也有。比如醫(yī)生在給做針灸的時候，非常簡單的，但在他們的時候，他們能夠真正去理解消化，技術嫻熟，這個不是一我們在卡有家農(nóng)場專門種植東方草藥或者中藥藥材，當你參觀我們的診所時，你會看到Steve:that’saverygoodexample.Inmyculture,thiskindofrhymiclivingshouldbeusedthroughoutthe’slives.Theyear,inSpring,wehavekindaofparticularwisdomwhichisdifferentfromSummer,orthelateAutumn,eventheWinter,wehavetocatchthewisdomofthenature.sothatwecanbewiseininhabitantonearth,soasclassicalChinesemedicine,includingallthosebotanicalherbsarecomingintothiscountrythathappentouseinyourclinicinsociety.Atthesametime,douthinkit’spossibletousesomeofwesternnaturopathicpracticeortherapywecanusesomeofthoseideologytoreformthecurrentherbalpracticeinChina,infact,myfriendDr.Li,Mr.LiXinhasmentionedrepeatedlythatthepracticeofhomeopathyrepresentsveryChinesewayofpracticingmedicineinprehistoricaltimeswhichhasfoundationandresemblancewaysofclassicaltraditionalChineseliteratureinthepast.Soideologically,theyareverywellintertwined.SoIseelotofgroundwecandoblendingandholisticinterpretion...I’dliketohearyourcomment.慧的居住者，對于經(jīng)典中醫(yī)包括草藥遠渡重洋來到，來到診所。與此同時，你是否David:Beingtheoftheuniversityandnotbeingtheclinician,IamadoctorbutI’mtheclassofChinesemedicinesetting,becausetheenergeticthingsspiritualnatureofHomeopathyaresoconsistedwiththephilosophyandthevaluesofClassicalChineseMedicine.TheotherrealityisthewaythatHomeopathicpositioninteractswiththepatientaresosimilartotheclassicalChinesemedicineapproach.Thewesternapproachisbyhowisitfoundedandhowisitscheduled.Italsodoesn’trequirethepatienttoparticipateactivelyinthehealingprocess.It’smorereaction.Takethispillorpleasesubmitthesurgeryorthisprocedure,thisdaysafterthetestyoudid...lmethisaboutyour..SoifyouarerequiredthedeepskillorspiritualenergyofclassicalChinesemedicine,thedoctorwhoisngpulseortongue,(Steve:allthereadings)indeed,thewesternbecausethehugeimprovementininstrumenttalentyofscience.Themethodsoffying,Theingoffy,wehavetheabilitytofythenonmaterialelementswaysweevencouldn’tevenadecadeago..Sothattheorganizationofsnowcateringwhichdoesimportantworksocall,inthewaythatcouldn’thavebehereearlierbecausetheycan’tmeasurethe Theymeasureresults.Inwesterntraditionisalwayswhereistheevidence,whereistheevidence,infact,theevidence,isinconclusivesomeareaswhenhealinghappens.TheChinesemedicineprofessionisincreasinglyactiveingatheringtheevidence,theinformation.Onegreatprojectthatwecanworkonisthetranslationofclassicalthatswithintheconstructofevidence...Icangatherfromourprofessors,theconsistencyisveryrich,theanotherissomemethodologies,thenaturopathicmedicine,thehomeopathicisoneofthem,hydrotherapy,botanicalmedicine,westernherbs,(Steve:Susannahastalkedabouttheclay)exactly,It’sPENOID.VeryinterestingrelevanttoclassicalChinesemedicine,sothechancetocreatetrainingofthatkindwillbeprobablyveryinterestedinChina(Steve:yeah)wecandothistogether,beacreditofuniversity,ourcolleaguesinChinahavethefoundations,thewellbeings,thegoalsofpeople’srepublic,it’sgoodtiming.Thepurposesisveryreal.TheChinesecapacityforpatientsisinwatchingotherpointofviewispartofthesequtiontoo.IfoundallChineseguestsandcolleaguestobeveryrespectfultowhattheysee.Andsometimesinwest,theyarenotrespectfultheotherway.Sowelearnedpatientstherespect,that’spointofbenefitpatients.TheymustbestudentinChina,seriously,motivatedmedicalstudentorbarefootdoctor,whateverthegroup,thereisrealvalueindyadic,theoreticalknowledge,handsonpracticalknowledge,andbestwaytoconveythatiswithexcellentmentor,excellentmodel.Livingthiswithhis/herpractice.Byendoftheday,itreallythehealthbenefitthepatient,that’sshouldbethefocus(Steve:absoluy)。不會需要來積極參與的療愈進程中的是作用力。服下這個藥或者做手術或這個。 的一種，包括和療醫(yī)學、水療、植物學、西方草藥學（Susanna提到的粘土療Steve:well,doctor,perfect,it’sreallyappreciateto